I recently added scroll bars to the <pre> tags we
use here. In
some cases you can widen your browser enough to make them go away, though
you'd need a pretty wide screen or very small fonts to take them
off the first half of that page.
Some folks find these annoying. Let me first tell you WHY I
employ them - it's the usual excuse: browsers don't follow
standards well, so what looks good with IE may not with Firefox, and
is apt to be completely different in Opera (the only one that
apparently even cares about standards, by the way) and so on.
So if I have a column floated to the right of PRE text, and the text in the PRE
is too wide for the space allowed, part of that text will just
disappear with some browsers or will overlap the right
hand column with others. As "whether it fits" depends on your screen,
your browser width, and your choice of font sizes, I have no choice
but to use scrollbars.
I used "automatic" bars - they don't appear unless they
are needed. That's done by CSS :
So if you really can't stand 'em, you can get rid of them by
widening your browser window or reducing your text size. There
are other choices, too. You can always choose the "Printer
Friendly" link (you'll find it somewhere on every page, often
more than once). You can choose the "No Border" or "Plain"
style sheet from the main index page. If you are running Firefox, and the Web
Developer Plugin, you can even edit CSS tags for any page
you are looking at or use your own CSS style sheet (or
none at all).
Frankly, it annoys me greatly that I have to be concerned
with this stuff. In the "old days", a plain text
web site was fine, it was the content that mattered. I
didn't use fancy columns and didn't need CSS. It was
all vanilla HTML. It wasn't pretty, but the content was
Well, no more. Content isn't enough today, you have to
at least try to "dress up". It was simply a case of adapt
to what people expect or die on the backwaters of the Internet.
I chose to get a (web) haircut and try to keep the shoes
shined most of the time. I still don't wear a tie (on the
web or in person), but I do pay some attention to presentation.
And by the way, I really, REALLY appreciate it when y'all
point out broken or badly formatted pages. I appreciate it
it very much - don't forget to tell me what browser/OS you
are seeing the problem with because sometimes I won't
see it with my browser. I ALWAYS want to know about problems.
Though (unfortunately) there are things I can't fix. Sometimes,
browsers are simply "broken" in that they don't even come close to
doing what they are supposed to do. I could look for
specific browsers and provide different CSS or even different
pages, but that's more work than I want to do. I will
TRY to fix anything that's annoying you or at least offer