Is There Value in Search Engine Optimization Firms?
I spent some time over the past year or so talking to various SEO firms and Adsense consultants. These are people who offer to increase the visibility of your web site or increase Adsense revenues for a fee. Other than pretending to be interested in their services (I'm not), I was completely honest about my site, my present statistics, and my goals. We'll cover all that, but first a statement you probably won't find surprising:
There's a lot of snake oil out there.
Well, you probably knew that. On the other hand, I did have some
pleasant conversations with a few people, and even got a few
snippets of free advice. Some of that advice might have even been
worthwhile, though most of it was rather generic and nothing you
couldn't find easily on the web.
A few of the SEO firms never responded to my email solicitation,
which is always interesting: business must be very good for these
fellows if they can ignore leads. Some of the firms were blatantly
dishonest (immediately talking about "fooling" the search engines)
and others seemed ethical and above board. Most (ethical or not)
seemed to be reasonably technically competent, though there were
some amusing exceptions here and there. Most interesting to me is
that all of them failed to really listen to what I told them. I'd
call that "hammer syndrome": if the only tool you have is a hammer,
everything looks like a nail.
What I told them
My initial email correspondence went something like this:
I've been running http://aplawrence.com since 1997, and have managed
to build it to the point where it is starting to make a little money,
mostly thanks to Google Adsense.
I do pretty well in Google, often in the top 10 for many related searches.
Google Page Rank has most of my pages in the 4-5 area, the main index.html
at 6. Or so it was today anyway.
Note: January 2008, Google PR is now 5. These things do fluctuate.
Having struggled to this mostly by trial and error, I can't help wondering
if some professional advice could get me to the next level.
So.. is it likely that you could help me move on up, and if so, what
might it cost?
Any other info you would need to make a judgement of course will be supplied.
There were others who had articles to sell or offered fee based consultations; if the price was reasonable ($100.00 or less) I tried a few of those also.
An important thing to notice here is the "often in the top 10
for many related searches" that I mentioned. In almost all cases, the folks I talked to or had more email correspondence with ignored that entirely and
kept pushing the idea of improving my Google position. As I'm
almost always in the top 10 and fairly often number one for the
searches I'm most interested in, it really doesn't make a lot of
sense to talk about improving that, at least not in the manner that
these folks usually did.
Over and over again I was warned that it
could take months for my pages to show up in Google at all, and
that I needed to "hang in there" (presumably still paying the
monthly fee some wanted) and have faith. Keep in mind I had already
told them that I was in the top ten on page one! From that I would guess
that most of these folks work primarily with unknown sites, though
when I asked that directly, I was usually told no, they worked with
sites just like mine and larger. Of course. Why did I bother to
ask? It's also obvious that most of them paid no attention
to what I said or looked at my Page Rank or anything else.
Cloaking and doorways
Cloaking is serving up different pages to different users,
specifically to search engine spiders. There are some folks
unabashedly promoting cloaking of pages, but their numbers are dwindling.
If cloaking were done only for honest purposes, nobody would
have any problem with it and in fact the search engines themselves
might encourage it. If the search engine spiders saw a page that
was easier for them to understand and that would be indexed
correctly so that hits on it would be more likely to truly reflect
what the user was actually looking for, that would be great.
Unfortunately, people use it for less honest purposes, and
therefore Google and other search engines object: Google's
Cloaking Policy says that they "may permanently ban from our
index any sites or site authors that engage in cloaking to distort
their search rankings. "
Of course folks disagree on what is and what is not cloaking:
Webmaster World Cloaking Forum.
My feeling is that if Google rank is important to you, why take a
chance of screwing it up?
Doorway pages have a similar purpose, and are just as disliked
by search engines like Google. At Possible reasons for indexing problems, Google explains some reasons why they might not index you at all,
You employ doorway pages. Google does not encourage the use of doorway
pages. We want to point users to content pages, not to doorways or
Doorway pages are pages that contain "bait" for search engines,
but then immediately jump the visitor to other content. Again, if
this were done for honest purposes, it would be beneficial to
everyone. But of course people just aren't honest everywhere:
What Are Doorway Pages?.
Personally I would stay far way from someone using this sort of
technique. Several of the folks I contacted were quite outspoken
against the use of such tricks and complained that competitors who
do such things ruin the business for the ethical purveyors. Those
in favor of these maneuvers tended more to a "Get Real!" response,
insisting that "Everyone does it". Personally, I'd stay away. But
then I'm the kind of person who reports my cash income, too.
Rewriting of Content
Rewriting content is probably the best and most valid suggestion
any of these folks had to make. Naturally enough, it's also pricey:
I had quotes ranging from $2,000 to $18,000 to rewrite my
"important" pages so that they would be more tasty for search
engines. One search engine optimizer (whose "down payment" would
have been $7,500.00) told me that he could rewrite my main page so
that "sco unix support" would be the search engine key. He said my
page is too large now (actually several of them made the same
comment) and that would cause Google etc. not to be able to index
it well. While we talked I typed "SCO Unix support" into Google and
my home page came up as position one and two. Apparently he hadn't
bothered to do that before giving advice..
But there is value in rewriting content, and it is hard to do
well. The search engine spiders want to see phrases and keywords
repeated often enough so that they know what the page is about. Do
too much of it, and your pages read horribly for human visitors
(hence the attraction of "doorway" pages).
The idea of spiders reading pages also led to another fun
conversation. This person (who was otherwise intelligent and
ethical) said that I should move my links table to the right side
of the page because "spiders read just like you do, left to right,
and you want them to see your content first". That sounds plausible
unless you understand typical html design and realize that the
table with an "align right" tag will still be the first thing the
spider sees. Of course there are ways to do what he suggested, but
again it's also obvious that Google's spiders in fact have no
difficulty with this page.
Since then I've moved to a CSS styled design, still with
a left column, which is the last text read.. I wonder what
he'd think of that..
This is another area of typical services offered, and it's
another one where you have to tread carefully. You do want people
linking to you, but you don't want dumb links - links from pages
that have no purpose other than to link to other pages. Those kind
of links will do you no good with search engines because search
engines like Google also know (or try to know) how "important" a
page is. A page with nothing but hundreds or thousands of unrelated
links is not important, so the fact that you are one of the links
doesn't help you. Worse, most of those kind of places require that
you link to them, so now your pages are filled with trash links
that are meaningless to your visitors.
Incidentally, a very few search engine optimizers seem to think
that you shouldn't have any outgoing links because it takes people
off your pages. True, but if you are providing information, and
those other links have related content, you really need to include
those links. If your site is valuable, people will return to
Links from relevant pages, especially if those pages are
important in their own right, are good for you. So if your search
engine optimization firm is just handing you out to link farms, you
are doing more than wasting your money; you are doing yourself
harm. On the other hand, an intelligent search for related web
pages can be well worth paying for. I regularly get contacted by
honest search engine optimizers who are working for sites with
content related to mine, asking that I put a link up. If I agree
that the content is relevant and worthwhile, of course I do so.
Sometimes they return the favor, though I do not insist upon
Search Engine Submission
Unfortunately, too many of these firms still stress submitting
your pages as an important function. It is not. There may have been
a time when it was, but that time is long past. I don't really
think most of these folks even really believe this themselves; I
think they say it because they think it is what the customers want
You do need to submit once, but all you need to submit is your
main page - assuming of course that one way or another a trail of
links leads from there to all your other pages. And while you can
submit to the thousands of different search engines out there, you
probably don't need to. If the important ones (Google mostly) find
you, the others will get you from that. Google now lets you tell
it when you have added content with their Google Sitemaps.
The Adsense advice folk were probably the most honest of
the lot, and generally seemed to have better ideas. Their advice was
good, though nothing you won't find on-line for free. I was surprised
that two of them had no knowledge of Google
Sitemaps, but that's only tangentially related to Adsense so I didn't
consider that as real ignorance. However, part of increasing advertising
revenue is increasing traffic, and Google's sitemaps are related to
that, so it is a deficit.
Content is king
I've said it over and over again, and the best search engine
optimization firms agree: nothing beats content, and the more the
better. Few of the firms offer content themselves, though some may have ties to
syndication services. Tempting as that may be, you have to be
careful there too. Google doesn't like sites that are just near
mirror images of other sites, and one or both will suffer (see
Solving Google Page Rank problems with a 301 Redirect for a related
problem). That's why exclusive content is better than something
other people can buy as readily as you can. Exclusive content of
course can be expensive, and again you need to be concerned that
the writing is both intelligible to humans and easily digested by
search engine spiders. That's not easy to do, and someone with
talent for one side of that may be untalented at the other.
Get all the content you can; write it or buy it, but get it.
Some suggestions on content are also at Comments on Google Page Rank and at Web site promotion and popularity.
Wrap it up
Several of these search engine optimizers wanted a monthly
stipend to cover on-going services. I'm not quite sure just what
value they feel they are offering here. The fees quoted were
nominal ($30 to $80 monthly), but for what? If Google has found you
and you have good content, their spiders will automatically return
and reindex you regularly. There's no need to "submit" new pages (
and that's especially true if you use Google Sitemaps).
Some offered to regularly report on positioning for certain
keywords and to check for broken links; that could be of value
though it's not hard to automate that sort of thing yourself. I'm
not sure I'd want to sign up for such services, but you might see
In summation, you need to be very careful in selecting a search
engine/ad revenue optimization firm. Check references carefully, and see if
search terms really do show up in good positions for the sites they
have helped. My advice is to stay clear of those offering things
like cloaking and doorway pages, but there is plenty of
disagreement on that. I'd err on the side of caution, but you may
I would not spend a lot of money on a SEO firm or anyone offering
Adsense consulting. Well, that's not true: I did spend a fair amount of
cash researching this article. But that's different. If the fee is reasonable, (I'd suggest $100.00 or less) you could get a
quicker and more concise education than searching for this kind of thing on line, but
there's no magic: none of these guys know anything that isn't
published on the web.
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