Mon Jul 5 11:55:15 2004 Remember
C2?
I happened to Stumble across the
reference link above. Looks to me like this is trying to reinvent
C2. That set me thinking about what ever happened to all the C2
buzz: a few years back, everyone was talking about C2 security, but
now, a Google search turns up only mostly very old links. Why?
Well, for one thing C2 security has absolutely nothing to do with
the computer security most of us worry about today. Windows NT 3.51
is "C2 Secure" :
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/plan/security.mspx
Amusing, but true. That's because C2 security has nothing to do with buffer overflows, worms and the like. It's concern is control of data - whether or not person X can give file A to person B, and how you know it is person X to start with. See C2 Microsoft Windows NT Administrator's and User's Security Guide
There's some amusing stuff in there too. For example, one of the items NOT included in the NT 4.0 systems submitted for C2 security evaluation was:
Other services which must run as part of the system such as Internet Information Server
So I guess they knew that was a problem ahead of time ?
What about Linux? Well, again, most of the links I find are old. There's http://secureaudit.sourceforge.net/index.html, but it hasn't been updated in more than a year. There's plenty of "C2-like" mentioned:
C2 security Note that SNARE uses C2-level auditing and event logging. C2 is a high security standard created by the National Computer Security Center (NCSC), a division of the U.S. National Security Administration.
but "like" isn't certified.
Do we care anymore? Well, probably not. I think most folks have realized that they need C2 security about as much as they need an ICBM missile. Those who do need ICBM's or are otherwise involved in the design or manufacture of similar things need to worry about it, but for most of us, C2 security simply gets in the way of things we need to do. The original design of Unix wasn't for protecting files, it was for sharing them in a cooperative environment, and to a greater or lesser extent, that's what most of our computer activities are about still: sharing, not protecting. Sure, we protect our passwords to our bank accounts and other important things, but those are the exceptions: most of what we do with computers is sharing. Yes, we may have users in groups that restrict their access here and there, but it seems to me that the ability to share is the more important paradigm.
So the buzz of C2 security seems to have faded away. Part of that is due to the understanding of how unimportant it is to most of us. Another part might be simple embarassment: can you imagine Microsoft making a big deal about their C2 qualification today? The jeers and catcalls would be immediate - perhaps undeserved, because C2 isn't necessarily related to the other security problems Microsoft has. But this wouldn't seem to be the time to be blowing that trumpet again, would it?
If for some reason you are concerned about Microsoft and C2, see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/news/c2eval.mspx
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"ICBM missile"
Ah, I see you are a member of the Department of Redundancy Department.
"If for some reason you are concerned about Microsoft and C2, see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/news/c2eval.mspx"
I can't imagine anyone in their right mind running any Microsoft system with any expectations of real security. There's an old adage in manufacturing that says quality cannot be inspected into a product, it must be built in. The same principle applies to operating system security.
--BigDumbDinosaur
"ICBM missile"
Ah, I see you are a member of the Department of Redundancy Department.
"If for some reason you are concerned about Microsoft and C2, see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/news/c2eval.mspx"
I can't imagine anyone in their right mind running any Microsoft system with any expectations of real security. There's an old adage in manufacturing that says quality cannot be inspected into a product, it must be built in. The same principle applies to operating system security.
--BigDumbDinosaur
Well, with so man acronym's today, ICBM might mean something else too :-)
Anyway, with reagrf to the adage, you are sure to get a grin from this quote from that page:
"Every customer's security needs are different, and not all customers will deploy Windows NT in the C2 configuration. However, the evaluation is significant even for customers who don't need to deploy the C2 configuration. The fact that third-party security experts have examined Windows NT 4.0 and awarded it a C2 evaluation confirms what customers already know -- that Windows NT 4.0 provides a strong, flexible security architecture."
Cough..cough..cough :-)
"ICBM missile"
Ah, I see you are a member of the Department of Redundancy Department.
"If for some reason you are concerned about Microsoft and C2, see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/news/c2eval.mspx"
I can't imagine anyone in their right mind running any Microsoft system with any expectations of real security. There's an old adage in manufacturing that says quality cannot be inspected into a product, it must be built in. The same principle applies to operating system security.
--BigDumbDinosaur
Well, with so many acronym's today, ICBM might mean something else too :-)
Anyway, with reagrf to the adage, you are sure to get a grin from this quote from that page:
"Every customer's security needs are different, and not all customers will deploy Windows NT in the C2 configuration. However, the evaluation is significant even for customers who don't need to deploy the C2 configuration. The fact that third-party security experts have examined Windows NT 4.0 and awarded it a C2 evaluation confirms what customers already know -- that Windows NT 4.0 provides a strong, flexible security architecture."
Cough..cough..cough :-)
"ICBM missile"
Ah, I see you are a member of the Department of Redundancy Department.
"If for some reason you are concerned about Microsoft and C2, see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/news/c2eval.mspx"
I can't imagine anyone in their right mind running any Microsoft system with any expectations of real security. There's an old adage in manufacturing that says quality cannot be inspected into a product, it must be built in. The same principle applies to operating system security.
--BigDumbDinosaur
Well, with so many acronym's today, ICBM might mean something else too :-)
Anyway, with regard to the adage, you are sure to get a grin from this quote from that page:
"Every customer's security needs are different, and not all customers will deploy Windows NT in the C2 configuration. However, the evaluation is significant even for customers who don't need to deploy the C2 configuration. The fact that third-party security experts have examined Windows NT 4.0 and awarded it a C2 evaluation confirms what customers already know -- that Windows NT 4.0 provides a strong, flexible security architecture."
Cough..cough..cough :-)
"ICBM missile"
Ah, I see you are a member of the Department of Redundancy Department.
"If for some reason you are concerned about Microsoft and C2, see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/news/c2eval.mspx"
I can't imagine anyone in their right mind running any Microsoft system with any expectations of real security. There's an old adage in manufacturing that says quality cannot be inspected into a product, it must be built in. The same principle applies to operating system security.
--BigDumbDinosaur
Well, with so many acronym's today, ICBM might mean something else too :-)
Anyway, with regard to the adage, you are sure to get a grin from this quote from that page:
"Every customer's security needs are different, and not all customers will deploy Windows NT in the C2 configuration. However, the evaluation is significant even for customers who don't need to deploy the C2 configuration. The fact that third-party security experts have examined Windows NT 4.0 and awarded it a C2 evaluation confirms what customers already know -- that Windows NT 4.0 provides a strong, flexible security architecture."
Cough..cough..cough :-)
--TonyLawrence
"ICBM missile"
Ah, I see you are a member of the Department of Redundancy Department.
"If for some reason you are concerned about Microsoft and C2, see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/news/c2eval.mspx"
I can't imagine anyone in their right mind running any Microsoft system with any expectations of real security. There's an old adage in manufacturing that says quality cannot be inspected into a product, it must be built in. The same principle applies to operating system security.
--BigDumbDinosaur
Well, with so many acronym's today, ICBM might mean something else too :-)
Anyway, with regard to the adage, you are sure to get a grin from this quote from that page:
"Every customer's security needs are different, and not all customers will deploy Windows NT in the C2 configuration. However, the evaluation is significant even for customers who don't need to deploy the C2 configuration. The fact that third-party security experts have examined Windows NT 4.0 and awarded it a C2 evaluation confirms what customers already know -- that Windows NT 4.0 provides a strong, flexible security architecture."
Cough..cough..cough :-)
--TonyLawrence
Yes, I do remember that quote, which demonstrates just how wide the gap is between what the engineering department can do and what the sales department says can be done. In any case, how would the "customers already know?"
--BigDumbDinosaur
"ICBM missile"
Ah, I see you are a member of the Department of Redundancy Department.
"If for some reason you are concerned about Microsoft and C2, see http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/news/c2eval.mspx"
I can't imagine anyone in their right mind running any Microsoft system with any expectations of real security. There's an old adage in manufacturing that says quality cannot be inspected into a product, it must be built in. The same principle applies to operating system security.
--BigDumbDinosaur
Well, with so many acronym's today, ICBM might mean something else too :-)
Anyway, with regard to the adage, you are sure to get a grin from this quote from that page:
"Every customer's security needs are different, and not all customers will deploy Windows NT in the C2 configuration. However, the evaluation is significant even for customers who don't need to deploy the C2 configuration. The fact that third-party security experts have examined Windows NT 4.0 and awarded it a C2 evaluation confirms what customers already know -- that Windows NT 4.0 provides a strong, flexible security architecture."
Cough..cough..cough :-)
--TonyLawrence
Yes, I do remember that quote, which demonstrates just how wide the gap is between what the Microsoft software engineering department can do and what the sales department says can be done. In any case, how would the "customers already know?"
--BigDumbDinosaur
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