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Microsoft's new SMB server

Mon Oct 6 13:54:57 GMT 2003 Microsoft's new SMB server

Link: Microsoft launches SMB server

Would you believe 5 users for $599.00 at a minimum?

Why on earth wouldn't you use Samba ?



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"Would you believe 5 users for $599.00 at a minimum?"

Looks like Microsoft is making an offer you can't refuse. &lt;Grin&gt;

"The Standard Edition costs $599; the Premium Edition costs $1,499. Both include a license for five clients."

Does the premium version include a more informative Blue Screen of Death?

"The company wants to entice companies with fewer than 100 employees with an integrated set of core server applications and its Windows server operating system, claiming it offers a reliable foundation for building customized solutions."

Lessee, if the base version costs 599 dollars (let's call it 600 to make the math easier) and includes a 5 user license, then it appears one must purchase 20 licenses to get those 100 employees hooked up. Hmm...20*600...damn, that's 12,000 dollars. I'll bet I can build an entire system -- server, network hardware, UNIX or Lunix distro and, of course, Samba -- for that money and have enough left over to buy lunch for the 100 people that will be connected.

Microsoft must think we are a bunch of blithering idiots.

--BigDumbDinosaur

I believe additional licenses aren't quite that expensive, but still Samba is free and really, what software REQUIRES a Microsoft server? I'm sure there are things that do, but most just need a mapped network drive..

--TonyLawrence

I'm sure MS doesn't charge as much for add-on users, but can't I exaggerate just a little? After all, Microsoft exaggerates all the time: "Do more with less."

--BigDumbDinosaur

While I would take a Linux product over a MS product any day of the week, the title of the article is misleading. This is MS Small Business Server, not SMB (Server Message Block) server. You get more with Small Business Server than your standard file/print sharing. The key is you get Exchange Server 2003 with the package. And while there are a bevy of Open Source apps out there that can challenge or top MS's products, the Linux community doesn't have an Exchange killer yet...

Gantry


I think they meant "Small to Medium Business", which is the non-techy meaning of SMB.

What do you need to be an "Exchange Killer"? Calendaring? We have that, and only bigger companies use it or need it anyway. I just don't see the need of it, but maybe I'm missing something..

--TonyLawrence


By "Exchange Killer" I mean an all-in-one server solution for mail/scheduling/calendaring. Something that integrates email, calendaring (more per-user than global), todo, alarms etc that is all stored on the server and accessible from anywhere. Perhaps there is a IMAP/LDAP/SQL hybrid out there, but I haven't seen one that is all integrated and easily to setup on both the client and server end. As much as I dislike Outlook via POP/pst, Outlook via MAPI and Exchange works very well and takes about 30 seconds to setup...

If there is a similar Open Source product I am missing, please enlighten me. I personally think replacing Exchange is the last big hurdle for Linux on SMB (non-techie) systems, but I would love to be wrong...

Gantry

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Well, the commercial version of SME ( see http://aplawrence.com/sme.html ) does all that - actually there's nothing you couldn't do with the free version of it too, but that wouldn't qualify as "30 second setup". And even the commercial version is "mostly" open source, and is a lot, lot cheaper than Microsoft.

There are other commercial mail servers that have similar functionality too; I'm just very familiar with this one and like it because of its mixed free/commercial concept.


--TonyLawrence

I'm somewhat familiar with MS Exchange and I don't see it doing anything that can't be accomplished with *NIX, Samba and a little aptness of thought. To be sure, it's not as simple as WMM (Windows mouse mauling, similar to FM in many ways), but handling more complicated stuff is what our clients pay us to do, right?

I just finished setting up a calendar/reminder service for a client who is running on SCO OSR5 and Samba. The service uses part of the SCO calendaring functions (driven by cron), along with some simple Perl stuff (thank you, Tony, for placing me on the road to enlightenment) to do some date and time manipulation and E-mail the results to the user who is wondering what today's and tomorrow's er...outlook (sorry Mr. Gates) will be.

Plus the user can create an "alarm file" (using Windows Notepad to conveniently edit it) which will send him/her WinPopUps at the appropriate time. It's just amazing what you can accomplish with a few simple UNIX tools and a little thinking. And to think that the client didn't have to fork over thousands to a convicted monopolist to get this stuff.

--BigDumbDinosaur


Far be it for me to be an apologist for Microsoft, but I tend to agree with Gantry.

The target audience for SBS is not IT guys, but Ma'n'Pa businesses who need something setup that just works without having to get to the nuts'n'bolts themselves. SBS serves that function.

Of course, SME server does as well, but (for me, at least) it is non-trivial to get it working as a domain controller with Windows XP or 2000, and that is what most clients are sold these days.

-- David Cook


??

What's non-trivial? You just tell it to be the domain controller. Am I missing something?

--TonyLawrence

"Of course, SME server does as well, but (for me, at least) it is non-trivial to get it working as a domain controller with Windows XP or 2000, and that is what most clients are sold these days."

I see. You're willing to trade reliability for convenience. Actually, even by directly editing the smb.conf file associated with Samba, configuring a PDC is almost trivial.

--BigDumbDinosaur

aamir

have a look at open groupware , it is been develop be a Exchange killer ,on linux



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